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Interview with solar on state of protoss, has eng subs. Please enjoy and subscribe as Crank will be making more videos for the English speaking audience.
He covers various topics the foreign audience discusses such as: the reason for protoss players not winning is because of them being less skilled than the players from the other two races. (have a feeling the community is going to have fun with this one.)
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On October 21 2023 09:46 THERIDDLER wrote:
I mean anyone in their right minds would see the current protoss player pool is much worse than the other 2 races (except for protoss players ofc). This is quite likely in a game with a small player pool thats shrinking over the years.
You are absolutely correct. It’s beyond obvious.
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Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.
I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.
The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.
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Without Zest, Trap and PartinG, it probably won’t translate into domination, but this should still be interesting
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On October 21 2023 18:28 Poopi wrote:
Zerg still seems like the strongest race, but Protoss has indeed been buffed and should be in a good state now.
Without Zest, Trap and PartinG, it probably won’t translate into domination, but this should still be interesting
We really need all the Toss juggernauts from the pre-LoV era: Zest, Trap, PartinG, sOs, Classic, herO, and Stats to come out with the solutions, in combination with the online beast: Maxpax. The next year will be dope as the first three tosses are due to finish their military service.
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Of course, this is immediate post-patch where people are trying to adjust, and things like new strats and all-ins always have more of a role to play. Zerg players were always going to struggle to adjust to Baneling runbys being weaker, and Protoss was always going to struggle with new Terran all-ins with the Cyclone and weaker Disruptors. We’ll have to see how it is when things settle down.
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On October 21 2023 09:46 THERIDDLER wrote:
I mean anyone in their right minds would see the current protoss player pool is much worse than the other 2 races (except for protoss players ofc). This is quite likely in a game with a small player pool thats shrinking over the years.
This is what I’ve been saying for the longest time. Now people suddenly realize this to be a fact…
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So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?
Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.
I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.
The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.
So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?
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So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?
Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.
I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.
The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.
So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?
did you perhaps notice the participants in the qualifiers? Look at EU for example. There are FOUR times as many “noticable” players for toss compared to Terrans. This is mostly what the open ESL cups looks like. Toss participants are most often WAY more than T or Z. Maybe add that to the equation.
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So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?
Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.
I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.
The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.
So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?
did you perhaps notice the participants in the qualifiers? Look at EU for example. There are FOUR times as many “noticable” players for toss compared to Terrans. This is mostly what the open ESL cups looks like. Toss participants are most often WAY more than T or Z. Maybe add that to the equation.
Can’t this argument also be used to justify the low number of « premier tournament wins » from P since there are far more top Z/T than P after the departures of the top KR Protoss?
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So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?
Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.
I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.
The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.
So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?
did you perhaps notice the participants in the qualifiers? Look at EU for example. There are FOUR times as many “noticable” players for toss compared to Terrans. This is mostly what the open ESL cups looks like. Toss participants are most often WAY more than T or Z. Maybe add that to the equation.
Can’t this argument also be used to justify the low number of « premier tournament wins » from P since there are far more top Z/T than P after the departures of the top KR Protoss?
Exactly. You would almost think there are way more protoss in the range outside the top 10 players (which is a much more substantial sample size) for some reason. Strange
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